Captains of the Combat Community.Need your help in collecting data for a New Reference Chart to help newcomers and experienced alike in finding the right Drive System Combination to drive your ship at the correct speeds for your club.With your help in providing your info regarding your ships successful drive system setup we will have a library of info to help current and future Captains set up their ships drive system without the sometimes often ardous task of selecting the right motors with the right props for direct drive, gears and ESC combos. Right now we need your DATA!! We hope with enough data collected we can devise a table with all ship classess for each of the styles of Combat. Here you just select your class of ship your builiding then look at the various data for that ship with what motors have been used succcessful, what props, gears, escs. The following Email is more on this and it's crude right now as I just thought of it but we look forward to getting everybody's imput from all styles. This has never been done before. Normally a battler or potential battler has to source out this stuff through many means which takes time. We want to be able to make it easier to set up ships drive systems and have a standard format for that.It will make it more attractive to get into for newcomers and keep current members around for when they build their next combat ship. read on .. Well first we need a R&D section on your site for collecting data. 2nd I have some data already but basically we need to have like a Wanted Ad. Ie Wanted - Drive System info - looking for data on how you the combat Captain have your Drive System set up Ie Type of motors, How many, Gears or Direct Drive - If gears then what kind - how many pinion teeth, what type of Universal be it Dogbone or tubing ect. What size stuffing tube or prop shafts and what type of props, pitch , Diameter, number of blades. If we can set up some kind of chart for this and set up Catergories for both style of combat that would mean a ready library of drive system info that has not been available since the inception of the sport. A HANDS on reference manual so to speak. I picture going to a page selecting the type of combat I am in or getting into. Selecting the ship in question or class of ship and from there I can see the various motor types, props, universals, ect that have been used and successful at driving this type of model at the required club speed. Maybe a section for ESCs too as I know that in MWC they use ESCS. I strongly believe that this lack of a ready source reference for drive system setup is hindering the growth of the clubs for new people getting in because it does take so much time just to get the drive system right and to the novice even for experienced we have to dig and dig and then trial and trial. If we could narrow this down into a guideline for drive systems , it would speed up involvement and not scare away newcomers. Whew I haven't had a coffee yet.. Curt
Hmmmm... Guess there is a need! Craig, Curt & I are discussing willing it into reality. It is no where close to being ready yet.
Thanks Craig, see that shows we need something in place. I have 2 successful drive setups for BISMARCK when I had it for Fast/Small Gun OR abbreviated FS Gun. I input on a test chart and with refining it won't take long to develop a chart table.
Potentially this would save newbie's and those with limited experience (raises his hand) as a safety net as it were. The thought of this massive step already prepared as a chart, well, I could see this as a mainstay for ship construction. Saves time and headaches... more Timmy's Curt? LOL
Hey Craig spike up that Timmy's with more of that MSG, Oy I got a headache with developing a new classification system. So far I applied it to 40 ships and the results have been very favourable for all classes so far. More work to be done but it's beginning to look like that it can be a very workable formula. Will post to get feedback once I have this completed.
Yikes Curt, like that is what you need, why not just start a garden hose with speed inside it. Come on man updates! It is like this place died for a day or three. We need information. Do an easy one liek Bismarck and we'll play with it. Throw the idea out. Let's see it. What are you waiting for man.
Well before I start any debate I need more data to have it in place. Not to worry I have something to post later to see how it will be recieved but you know there will be questions and if I have not the data to give proper answers then the whole thing will fall apart. Lets just say that what I gave a couple a guys some ideas is being reworked again because it was causing problems. However I reviewed again and can get a rough draft so to speak so stay tuned.
Well, I could give you the data on my cruisers, but they use good MAXONs and all known sources have dried up. Wouldn't be very useful to know the perfect motor and not be able to get it
Any info will be fine. Leave it to the person to source out what's suggested.With any setup there is no guarantee that the item will be available but you never know if the person is able to locate an item and if they do maybe we can put a foot note requesting to have any items that are no longer available but are found if the source could be posted here.
Well, lemme see. Probably most useful would be the data on Scharnhorst: *Two shafts turning 1.25" 4-bladed props. Originally about 25 degree pitch (I think) *power from two DUMAS boat motors. http://www.dumasestore.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=66_67&products_id=283 I think, but they might have been the 6v ones instead. *full speed clocked in at nearly 45 knots (25 seconds) *battery rated to 12v gel-cell *current draw in water (not moving) about 1 amp. *notes: I didn't design this system, it came with the old hull I bought. I repaired one of the motors, and rewired them all to operate in parallel rather than series, and boy did they hum. If two motors could get Scharnie up to nearly fast gun speeds at under 1 amp draw, imagine what three could do! Next is Spahkreuzer: *three shafts turning a pair of 1.25 inch dia, 3 bladed props and one 1 inch dia, 4 bladed prop. All props cast bronze with curved blades. *power from three 22mm dia MAXON motors. No known suppliers. Similar to MAXON A-max 22mm motor, 6v (I think) *Full speed clocked at around 47 knots (24 sec) *battery rated at 7.2v NiMH, 3000mAh *current draw approx 1.5 amps *notes: great system, I had to throttle down 20% to get legal. Unfortunately the motors are showing their age and constant abuse, and cannot be replaced. I will be using new motors this spring, less efficient but easier to replace. Luigi Cadorna: *two shafts turning 1 inch, 3-bladed props at 25 degree pitch *power from two 26mm MAXON motors, unknown type. Probably A-max series, unknown rated voltage. *speed clocked in at 44 knots (26 seconds) *battery 9.6v NiMH, 2200mAh *current draw under 1 amp *notes: This giussano class cruiser has had almost 1 inch extra depth added to boost displacement. Its sister hull, similarly stretched and running with 1.25 inch props, gets up to speed on 7.2v. A third giussano with an un-stretched hull, 1-inch props, and similar motors runs off 7.2v hope this helps!
Thankyou Carl that's excellent information.Wow just exactly what the doctor ordered.Thankyou. Hope to hear more from more people.
Who's working on this, Curt? Did you let this fall by the wayside? Come on man! You are like Scotty. Get to it man!
Hey I just finishied that large chart for classification dude. The other chart is in process but it's out of my hands as another person is working on it for me and when they get it done than I can post it here. I'm not a computer genious like you ya know.lol.Besides I am looking after your order from BATTLER'S TODAY.
Thanks for the Grace but I will need more than one day as the chart is out of my control.I am not making the chart itself but my friend is and it's his time I have to work around. Good glad you emailed Mr. King
So... you got more than a day ... you got two weeks... where's the beef young man! Or did you forget?
